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How can we take action to make a difference? How can we speak up to right a wrong?

These are the questions �鶹APP President Sarah Brown explores in the latest episode of her Better Angels podcast series by talking to four��people who have made a huge impact for their personal causes and passions.

They are��David Mixner,��civil rights activist, prominent LGBT campaigner and best-selling author;��Christy Turlington Burns,��supermodel and maternal health campaigner;��Kevin Watkins,��the��CEO of Save The Children UK and leading international development thinker; and��Shazia Ramzan,��young education campaigner and a �鶹APP Global Youth Ambassador.

David talks about his life in advocacy and human rights campaigning.

He says: �鶹APP�I�鶹APP�ve learned that if you can keep your ego out and if you always make it we and not I �鶹APP���because when it becomes I you set yourself up as a target. If it becomes we, it becomes a movement.

�鶹APP�And the purpose of a movement is change �鶹APP���not to punish people who might not come as��quickly to the��realisation of freedom as others might, but to welcome them, that they have had the wisdom to change their minds on a particular issue.

�鶹APP�That�鶹APP�s the purpose of a movement and we should never forget that.�鶹APP�

He adds:���鶹APP�You can�鶹APP�t be alone. You can�鶹APP�t live in fear.

�鶹APP�Because if you live in fear you will always be that person at the back of the room that no one�鶹APP�s listening to.�鶹APP�

Christy is asked about her shift��from �鶹APP�model with a cause�鶹APP� to fully-fledged campaigner. She talks about her�� charity and about how thousands of��people have��run marathons to support the cause wearing the organisation�鶹APP�s��orange colours.

�鶹APP�I started running because of Every Mother Counts actually. I wasn�鶹APP�t really a runner,�鶹APP� she says.

�鶹APP�As soon as I started training for my first marathon it dawned on me that there was such a opportunity there with communicating distance as one of the biggest barriers for so many women to access care.

�鶹APP�It became so built into what we were trying to do and it�鶹APP�s also a great way for people to participate.�鶹APP�

Kevin talks about his experience of��travelling and working in developing countries in his various roles with charities and organisations.

�鶹APP�The amazing thing about these people is they do not give up hope,�鶹APP� he says. �鶹APP�You go and talk to anyone in a rural village, in an urban slum, these are people with hope.

�鶹APP�I always find it utterly extraordinary and actually very moving. You go to a refugee camp, you speak to kids who have seen friends killed, who have lost family members, who have been bombed, who will sit there and look you in the eye and tell you they are going to be an engineer.

�鶹APP�That is the human spirit in operation. We need to get behind these people. That is what solidarity is about.�鶹APP�

Shazia was with her friends�� and Kainat Riaz when they were all shot by the Taliban��on their school bus in Pakistan in 2012.

Now 18, she is at school in the United Kingdom and plans��to go to university to become a nurse.

Asked about her trips back to Pakistan, Shazia says:���鶹APP�I see quite a few changes and I see girls are more confident. I feel like we have changed something.

�鶹APP�Not just me, Kainat and Malala �鶹APP� there are others who are trying to change these ideas.�鶹APP�

On how individuals can help to bring about change, she says:���鶹APP�If we see something is wrong, if I am speaking and no one wants to listen to me then I speak to my community people and we��meet �鶹APP� and then we all as a group come together. It makes us stronger.

�鶹APP�If you see something don�鶹APP�t be silent. You are the one who can do something. If you don�鶹APP�t do something then there will be no one here who will do it.�鶹APP�

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